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alcohol - with a twist!

Postby adamebrewster » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:04 pm

unlike the expected debate of should I/shouldn't I

more so, you should all know that I do.
I only have about 1 drink per week or two (usually a date or sometimes w/ friends) but I'm completely against drunkenness, and alcoholism, and I've definitely never been drunk. (I don't say this to say, "look how awesome I am", but more to lay a groundwork for the discussion)

So then, the challenge is this; I hear some people say that drinking alcohol can ruin your witness, but I've personally experienced people opening up to me with questions of faith when they see that I've got a beer in my hand and know that I follow Jesus.

Thoughts?

Of course, I don't say this to say that if you feel like you shouldn't drink alcohol that you should start, God gives each of us personal convictions and some people just plain shouldn't do it for whatever reasons might be in place...

anyhow, just wanted to offer what might be a differing perspective.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Corvid Canine » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:37 pm

My view is this; I like beer.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Godzuki » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:50 pm

first time I ever drank I ended up talking to a gay friend about his beliefs for like an hour. It wasn't me preaching at him at all, just an open and honest discussion.

not saying that alcohol did it, but it helped in that specific case.

So what's my point... um... it can help I guess when people see you're not a total prude (no offense, it's a perspective thing). Similarly people seem to open up if and when I swear. People like seeing that Christians are real people too.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Josh_Dead » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:09 am

I thoroughly dislike the whole "ruin your witness" gag. My mom never shuts up about how any little thing (wearing a shirt with a hole in it, saying "sucks" and "crap" [let alone other words], listening to "bad" music [with cursing], drinking, smoking, drugs, alcohol... the list goes on) not only can, but WILL ruin your witness. It's kind of funny because 1. I'm not a christian so I don't have a witness to provide and 2. who's to say it wont actually encourage a witness to happen naturally (see above post). If anything, I think being a normal human being and not trying to be all holy-than-thou makes others more open to listen to what you have to say.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby clayton » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:21 am

I think it depends on who you're witnessing to.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby ThePageStaysBlank » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:18 am

That, and I think it depends on how far you take it.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Metre » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:59 am

JESUS' FIRST MIRACLE WAS CREATING WINE FOR A PARTY IN WHICH PEOPLE WERE PROBABLY ALREADY DRUNK
that considered it's ridiculous that any christian could say having a couple of drinks "ruins your witness"
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby limework » Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:59 pm

i personally believe there is nothing about drinking that is a bad representation of Jesus, even if you get drunk IF you're responsible and know your limit. shaky ground i know, but i like to get a good buzz going and stop there. i still talk about Jesus when i'm at that point, sometimes moreso than normal. the Bible forbids drunkenness, but some interpretations say that it means to not replace your connection with the Spirit (spiritual drunkenness) with alcohol drunkenness. mouthful that is.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby irzamaii » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:05 pm

i forget what verse, but i do believe that Paul did mention that you don't need to abstain completely, that wine in fact, can be good for you at times.

keep in mind, i could be wrong.

with that said, i believe drinking isn't bad at all given that: 1) you do not get drunk 2) you are of age. excessive drinking isn't too good for your physical and mental health, and younger lives are more fragile than older ones [in theory].
and personally, i will probably never drink. i can't even handle an ounce of wine given at communion. Dx
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby clayton » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:44 pm

Paul advised Timothy to drink wine while he was sick.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Metre » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:32 am

you guys are less conservative than i thought
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby hummingbird_mywill » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:59 am

adamebrewster wrote:God gives each of us personal convictions and some people just plain shouldn't do it for whatever reasons might be in place...

Umm this.
I have loads of reasons to not drink: obsessive personality, history of alcoholism in my family, and working with people who have alcoholism problems, to name the main ones.

Those reasons are not reasons a lot of people have though. That being said, I can be really turned off by a Christian drinking but I think it depends on the context. If it's done to be like "look at me! I'm drinking like the rest of the world!" then there's no sense of being set apart for Christ's purposes. If it's just because a person happens to like an alcoholic drink then whatever.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby irzamaii » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:58 pm

clayton wrote:Paul advised Timothy to drink wine while he was sick.

yes! thank you. that's what i was looking for. ^_^ was that meant to be taken literally?
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Sara » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:49 pm

I don't know the verse, but I could see it being literal just for the fact they didn't have a lot of access to clean water. Wine was probably more sanitary, therefore it would make sense to drink it instead if you were ill. But that's just a guess.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby Metre » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:33 am

regardless of whether or not the drinking water is clean, if it were a sin paul wouldn't have advised timothy to do it
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby irzamaii » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:55 pm

exactly. that's my point. he's not encouraging intoxication, but he's not shunning a simple glass of wine.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby sweetprincess » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:00 pm

Josh_Dead wrote:I thoroughly dislike the whole "ruin your witness" gag. My mom never shuts up about how any little thing (wearing a shirt with a hole in it, saying "sucks" and "crap" [let alone other words], listening to "bad" music [with cursing], drinking, smoking, drugs, alcohol... the list goes on) not only can, but WILL ruin your witness. It's kind of funny because 1. I'm not a christian so I don't have a witness to provide and 2. who's to say it wont actually encourage a witness to happen naturally (see above post). If anything, I think being a normal human being and not trying to be all holy-than-thou makes others more open to listen to what you have to say.

I TOTALLY AGREE. If you act like a total faker, or you are doing everything 'right' (ie: not outright sinning), but you have a proud heart, then God says you're are like a whitewashed tomb.

The Bible does say if it offends a weaker brother, than you should abstain from doing something. Personally, I like to drink (not get drunk), but if I'm around say...teenagers, or someone who is really conservative, I don't for their sake. Plus I don't want a bunch of angry parents calling me up.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby ThePageStaysBlank » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:34 am

irzamaii wrote:i forget what verse, but i do believe that Paul did mention that you don't need to abstain completely, that wine in fact, can be good for you at times.


I think it's interesting that this kind of correlates to a lot of studies done on the health affects of alcohol. Every few months I seem to come across something that says a few glasses of wine over a week can have some modest health benefits.
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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby HunterBrown » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:44 am

Josh_Dead wrote:I thoroughly dislike the whole "ruin your witness" gag. My mom never shuts up about how any little thing (wearing a shirt with a hole in it, saying "sucks" and "crap" [let alone other words], listening to "bad" music [with cursing], drinking, smoking, drugs, alcohol... the list goes on) not only can, but WILL ruin your witness. It's kind of funny because 1. I'm not a christian so I don't have a witness to provide and 2. who's to say it wont actually encourage a witness to happen naturally (see above post). If anything, I think being a normal human being and not trying to be all holy-than-thou makes others more open to listen to what you have to say.

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Re: alcohol - with a twist!

Postby adamebrewster » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:11 pm

Word.
Conversely, I am not saying that I feel holier or more "free in Christ" because I like a glass of beer 1x or 2x a week.

There's nothing wrong with drinking in REAL moderation, and there's certainly nothing wrong not drinking at all - except that you might be missing a few culinary experiences - but the world isn't just for foodies.
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